i think it's time to take this a tad further than most of you have done. go do a google or yahoo or your favorite search engine search, for muslim chat rooms, islamic chat rooms, islamic forums, muslim forums, whatever you feel necessary to find one, then, after you have made some free mail accounts and set those up, start asking about the child bride. start asking about all the different things about their religion. do what you will, but honestly, after the muzzie no go zones in europe, i think it's right about time to launch another phase and kick start some really fun trolling....
or just sit back and be panzies and watch your country burn to rubble around you due to islamic sharia law.
here, this is what i was doing for a little over an hour.. fucking muzzies...
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ullahboned meh hurd (07:20:04) : so i was talking with this other operator in another chat room
ullahboned meh hurd (07:20:10) : he told me i have mental problems
ullahboned meh hurd (07:20:19) : because i asked some hard questions
A.Nasser (07:20:51) : sorry friend
A.Nasser (07:20:58) : may be he is v. busy
ullahboned meh hurd (07:20:57) : oh, and i did some google searches, i mean, we both are on the internet right? so i did a few searches of my own, and found his / her answers to be very incorrect
ullahboned meh hurd (07:21:32) : first of all, he said that about 100 years ago that teenagers were marrying older men.. which is very false in the usa, hold on, here is the link.
A.Nasser (07:21:48) : many of us are not Islamic scholars, we are just volunteers providing basic Islamic knowledge to non-muslims or seekers of truth
ullahboned meh hurd (07:21:42) : http://popcultureworld.hubpages.com/hub/History-of-Marriage-in-America-1800s-and-Early-1900s
ullahboned meh hurd (07:22:28) : so basically, even though i was told that oh, it's quite alright for people here in the usa to be pregnant at 11, or 12, or 13, i mean, as long as it's another teenager and not some older man..
ullahboned meh hurd (07:22:36) : which is what he / she was implying
ullahboned meh hurd (07:22:55) : and did not understand even the basics of islamic law regarding marriage under shariah law
A.Nasser (07:23:11) : thanks v. interesting links
ullahboned meh hurd (07:23:05) : that's what i was told
ullahboned meh hurd (07:23:34) : now, i have several sources in which sharia law does not add up
A.Nasser (07:23:47) : simple
ullahboned meh hurd (07:23:41) : so i ask are you a scholar?
A.Nasser (07:23:59) : need to bring 2 witnessess
ullahboned meh hurd (07:23:57) : do you live under sharia law?
A.Nasser (07:24:11) : and a sheikh or imam
A.Nasser (07:24:21) : and her guardian must be present
ullahboned meh hurd (07:24:23) : sooooooo, 6 years old then, and i can be 44?
A.Nasser (07:24:36) : and her consent is a must
A.Nasser (07:24:44) : not six
A.Nasser (07:24:51) : you can get engaged
ullahboned meh hurd (07:24:41) : that's what muhammad did
A.Nasser (07:25:02) : and wait until she grew
ullahboned meh hurd (07:25:48) : actually, he married his child bride at 6, consumated at 9
ullahboned meh hurd (07:25:53) : he was 52 ish or 55
A.Nasser (07:26:04) : ok
A.Nasser (07:26:07) : look at this
A.Nasser (07:26:13) : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4530743.stm
ullahboned meh hurd (07:26:36) : so, 7 then, and i can be 55
A.Nasser (07:27:02) : seven is too small
ullahboned meh hurd (07:27:24) : but hold on, are you saying that muhammad found a perfect child to be in puberty at 6 years old and married her at 6?
ullahboned meh hurd (07:27:35) : while he was 55
A.Nasser (07:27:58) : no
A.Nasser (07:28:08) : there are disputes on her age
A.Nasser (07:28:18) : some say she was 21 others say 9
ullahboned meh hurd (07:28:12) : i didn't say he had sexual intercourse at 6
ullahboned meh hurd (07:28:19) : i said married
ullahboned meh hurd (07:28:27) : he had sexual intercourse at 9
ullahboned meh hurd (07:28:31) : so says her in the hadith
A.Nasser (07:28:58) : ok
ullahboned meh hurd (07:28:51) : she also claims to have been playing with her dolls with him in the bedroom
A.Nasser (07:29:11) : yes
ullahboned meh hurd (07:29:14) : 21 years old playing with dolls in the bedroom
ullahboned meh hurd (07:29:17) : no
A.Nasser (07:29:39) : ok may be
ullahboned meh hurd (07:29:31) : 21 years old popping out children and cooking and cleaning yes
ullahboned meh hurd (07:29:42) : 21 years old taking care of children yes
ullahboned meh hurd (07:29:51) : 21 years old and mentally retarded would be playing with dolls
ullahboned meh hurd (07:30:29) : now, on that link you just sent me, hold on, let me copy paste you something
ullahboned meh hurd (07:30:51) : Precocious puberty
It is accepted that the normal age for a girl to begin to develop the first signs of puberty is 10 and above. Boys develop slightly later, generally at eleven-and-a-half.
However, the age appears to have been decreasing in developed countries.
ullahboned meh hurd (07:31:05) : In 1990, the first signs of puberty were around the age of eight for girls - the whole process taking two years to complete.
ullahboned meh hurd (07:31:12) : that's for developed countries
ullahboned meh hurd (07:31:23) : not some backwater desert
ullahboned meh hurd (07:32:07) : not the middle of no where, where they don't have clean water, proper nutrition and a basic diet
ullahboned meh hurd (07:32:17) : the middle east is not that. but okay
ullahboned meh hurd (07:32:47) : you are saying that this so called child bride of his that he had most of his revelations in her garments, he was with, while she played with dolls in their bedroom
ullahboned meh hurd (07:33:16) : he basically wrote a lot of the prophecies in her garments in their bedroom, and even scolded people for interrupting him, so says your texts
ullahboned meh hurd (07:33:22) : the sura the hadith, and the kuran
ullahboned meh hurd (07:33:35) : so .. let's move along
ullahboned meh hurd (07:33:52) : 9 years old, he had his way with her, after being married to her for 3 years
ullahboned meh hurd (07:34:03) : and some very well respected imams say that, not me
ullahboned meh hurd (07:34:18) : i learned all this from your imams, doing research, and reading the texts myself
ullahboned meh hurd (07:34:47) : so you are telling me with this link you showed me that at 7 puberty begins.. it begins then, before this person even understands life at all
ullahboned meh hurd (07:34:55) : before this person has a chance to grow up
ullahboned meh hurd (07:35:11) : they are given off to a 55 year old man who has lived that persons life like 5 or 6 times over
ullahboned meh hurd (07:35:17) : and then some
ullahboned meh hurd (07:35:48) : that person can now, after all the hardships that person has dealt with, get to mold this young women however he wishes.. use this person however he wishes, i mean
ullahboned meh hurd (07:36:22) : can you explain to me, why, if any reason on this earth, besides the fact that i would even want to be with a 7 or 9 year old, would i want someone as immature as that?
ullahboned meh hurd (07:36:37) : playing with dolls in my bedroom..
A.Nasser (07:37:15) : ok
A.Nasser (07:37:23) : I will explain to you the reason
ullahboned meh hurd (07:37:22) : while she has no figure, no breasts, no stature, no ass, no real coherence on what to do with me, no conversation, no friendship, and then not even be able to hold a decent conversation with me?
A.Nasser (07:37:30) : pls wait a moment
A.Nasser (07:42:43) : ok
A.Nasser (07:43:20) : The Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him had several wives, among them Aisha who by some commentators she was 9 years old when she married the prophet of Allah peace be upon him, other commentators say she was 19 or 21.
A.Nasser (07:43:39) : Here in the Middle East and maybe in Asia, girls marry v early, my mother married my father when she was 9 years old, and lived a happy and fruitful life with many children’s.
Here are some facts on the wives on the prophet Mohammed pbuh.
He married 12 wives, 2 died in his life time.
10 were Muslims and 2 non-Muslims i.e. Jew and Christian
A.Nasser (07:44:00) :
Why did the prophet pbuh marry 12, was it for lust?
ullahboned meh hurd (07:43:58) : that's not what i asked
A.Nasser (07:44:18) : Let us examine the issue:
When he was 25 years old, young and full of strength and desire, he married khadija who was 40 years old and was married twice before him and with many children’s.
ullahboned meh hurd (07:44:12) : beyond polygamy
ullahboned meh hurd (07:44:21) : no no no
ullahboned meh hurd (07:44:27) : that's deflecting
A.Nasser (07:44:44) : Khadija died after 25 years of successful marriage, and when she died the prophet was 50 years old.
He abstained from marriage for 2 years out of grief and respect for his wife khadija.
ullahboned meh hurd (07:44:38) : i asked a very very very specific question
A.Nasser (07:44:46) : ok
A.Nasser (07:44:55) : I am trying to explain the reason
A.Nasser (07:45:04) : I am coming to it
ullahboned meh hurd (07:44:54) : i don't care about his thousand other concubines and or wives
ullahboned meh hurd (07:44:59) : no not coming to it
A.Nasser (07:45:21) : ok
ullahboned meh hurd (07:45:15) : which by the way, since you want to deflect
A.Nasser (07:45:26) : pls wait a moment
ullahboned meh hurd (07:45:31) : you can only have 4 or 8 wives under sharia law as long as you can take care of them
ullahboned meh hurd (07:45:33) : he had more
ullahboned meh hurd (07:45:42) : which means he broke the rule he laid down for you
A.Nasser (07:46:14) : yes he also had to worship more than us
ullahboned meh hurd (07:46:16) : in aishias clothing
ullahboned meh hurd (07:46:22) : while writing the prophecies
A.Nasser (07:46:34) : the long night prayer was obligatory to him
A.Nasser (07:47:03) : Here are the Religious reasons for the marriage to Ayesha:
He wanted to admit to his household women who can observe him performing his day to day actions including things performed in private such as ritual ablution after having sexual intercourse, how to enter the washing rooms, what is permissible and what is not permissible with women, woman’s ministration /period and other problems of women etc…he needed a young women to live and teach generations after him on the rulings of these private things, so he married Ayesha who lived 42 years after his death to carry this prophetic legacy to generations after the prophet mohammed pbuh,
ullahboned meh hurd (07:48:17) : and what does this have to do about ayisha being 6 when he married her
A.Nasser (07:48:57) : ok thanks
A.Nasser (07:49:09) : he engaged to her when she was six
ullahboned meh hurd (07:51:34) : you mind giving me the quotes out of the many different kurans?
ullahboned meh hurd (07:51:44) : the exact chapter and verses?
A.Nasser (07:52:14) : it is not mentioned in the quran
ullahboned meh hurd (07:52:12) : yes it is
ullahboned meh hurd (07:52:18) : if not, it's in the sura and hadith
ullahboned meh hurd (07:52:31) : which we all know you can't be muslim without all 3 of those
A.Nasser (07:52:41) : pls provide the ref
ullahboned meh hurd (07:52:37) : lolz
ullahboned meh hurd (07:52:39) : i asked you
ullahboned meh hurd (07:53:48) : http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/had-aisha-reached-puberty-at-age-9-when.html
ullahboned meh hurd (07:54:13) : it was in the hadith
ullahboned meh hurd (07:55:47) : so, the sacred act of lying to a kaffir
ullahboned meh hurd (07:55:57) : what is that called again, taqia?
ullahboned meh hurd (07:56:03) : hold on, let me look that up as well
A.Nasser (07:56:36) : yes, it quotes the hadith
ullahboned meh hurd (07:56:39) : taqiyya
A.Nasser (07:56:50) : the saying of the prophet
ullahboned meh hurd (07:56:48) : so you say 21... but.... guess what, she was 9
ullahboned meh hurd (07:57:45) : http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war
ullahboned meh hurd (07:57:52) : this is why i have been checking your facts
ullahboned meh hurd (07:59:16) : alright, let's go back to the hadith i had earlier linked to
ullahboned meh hurd (07:59:27) : the words from aisha herself
ullahboned meh hurd (07:59:41) : Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girlfriends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
ullahboned meh hurd (07:59:58) : older women ran from the room, but it was muhammad that dragged them back to sit with her and play with her
ullahboned meh hurd (08:00:27) : because why? like i said before, a 21 year old woman, she won't play with dolls, it's not for them, they are interested in other things. whereas a child is interested in dolls
A.Nasser (08:01:04) : these are commentaries
ullahboned meh hurd (08:00:59) : have you EVER heard the saying that when i was a child, i played with childish things, but when i became a man, i put up childish things?
A.Nasser (08:01:10) : by so many schollars
A.Nasser (08:01:35) : some schollars make mistakes in their commentaires
ullahboned meh hurd (08:01:58) : so what you just said is, not to ever follow the hadith because it is a commentary and it is wrong?
ullahboned meh hurd (08:02:08) : so the prophet married someone who is wrong because she is a woman
ullahboned meh hurd (08:02:36) : or is it because i should just not follow the hadith or the sura, and only the kuran
ullahboned meh hurd (08:03:05) : because if you are saying only to follow the kuran, it means i should follow taqqiya, which means the sacred art of deception, and should lie to all kaffirs to further islam
ullahboned meh hurd (08:03:13) : which it does tell us about that in the kuran
A.Nasser (08:04:47) : why you mix up things
ullahboned meh hurd (08:05:12) : what did i mix up?
A.Nasser (08:05:31) : I said commentaries such this but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
A.Nasser (08:05:35) : by schollars
A.Nasser (08:05:42) : I did not say Hadeeth
ullahboned meh hurd (08:05:46) : Consider Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection:
ullahboned meh hurd (08:05:55) : Book 008, Number 3311:
ullahboned meh hurd (08:06:03) : 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
A.Nasser (08:06:35) : i meant this
A.Nasser (08:06:37) : as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.
ullahboned meh hurd (08:06:42) : i'm not done, hold on
A.Nasser (08:06:56) : probably speaking about Aysha when she was 7
ullahboned meh hurd (08:06:49) : i have more canonical stuff
ullahboned meh hurd (08:07:02) : From Sahih al-Bukhari, a canonical hadith collection:
ullahboned meh hurd (08:07:10) : Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:
ullahboned meh hurd (08:07:17) : Narrated 'Aisha:
ullahboned meh hurd (08:07:28) : I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girlfriends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.)
ullahboned meh hurd (08:07:36) : do you know what narrated means?
ullahboned meh hurd (08:07:52) : that means her own words
ullahboned meh hurd (08:08:19) : so you are going to sit there and tell me straight up, you believe her to have been 19 or 21 years old, and disregard one of your sacred texts
ullahboned meh hurd (08:08:27) : TOTALLY NARRATED BY AISHA HERSELF
ullahboned meh hurd (08:08:35) : narrated meaning she wrote it.
ullahboned meh hurd (08:11:12) : let's go further into the quran shall we, because from here, you said it was not in the quran, but it is
ullahboned meh hurd (08:11:24) : Qur'an Chapter 65, Verse 4:
And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation [because post-menopausal], if you have a doubt, their prescribed [waiting] time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses [because prepubescent]; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.
ullahboned meh hurd (08:12:09) : http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/65/4/default.htm
ullahboned meh hurd (08:12:12) : your imam's
ullahboned meh hurd (08:12:19) : they are saying this
ullahboned meh hurd (08:12:21) : not me
ullahboned meh hurd (08:12:25) : so you lied to me
ullahboned meh hurd (08:12:31) : but taqqiya
ullahboned meh hurd (08:12:37) : or is it taqiyya?
A.Nasser (08:12:48) : ok
A.Nasser (08:13:04) : I totaly agree with the above quranic verses
ullahboned meh hurd (08:14:07) : so then, you are okay with 9 year old wives and younger?
ullahboned meh hurd (08:14:58) : 2. The Quran permits men to marry prepubescent girls.
In the context of divorcing wives, the Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:
65:1 O Prophet, when you (and the believers) divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting-period and count the waiting-period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, ibid., vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)
A.Nasser (08:15:20) : yes totaly agree with 9 year old girls
A.Nasser (08:15:25) : but not less than taht
A.Nasser (08:15:27) : that
A.Nasser (08:15:40) : My own mother married my father when she was 9
A.Nasser (08:15:59) : and she gave birth to 10 healthy children
A.Nasser (08:16:03) : and live a v. happy live
A.Nasser (08:16:05) : life
ullahboned meh hurd (08:16:35) : okay, i'm not dissing your family, or your life, or your mom's life, or your friends, but i have to ask you, when are you going to ask yourself this is wrong?
ullahboned meh hurd (08:18:53) : first off, let's go with some science, the sperm and eggs are from the testicles and the ovaries, but here:
ullahboned meh hurd (08:18:56) : I. MUHAMMAD ON SEMEN PRODUCTION
According to the Qur’an, semen is formed somewhere between the ribs and the backbone. We read in Surah 86:5-7:
Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted—Proceedings from between the backbone and the ribs.ii
Muslim commentator Yusuf Ali tries to rescue this passage by interpreting it metaphorically:
A man’s seed is the quintessence of his body. It is therefore said metaphorically to proceed from his loins, i.e., from his back between the hipbones and his ribs. His backbone is the source and symbol of his strength and personality. In his spinal cord and in the brain is the directive energy of the central nervous system, and this directs all action, organic and psychic. The spinal cord is continuous with the Medulla Oblongata in the brain.iii
I would normally have no objection to interpreting statements in the Qur’an metaphorically. However, such reinterpretation becomes difficult when Muslims are employing an argument based on scientific accuracy, and when they are forced to radically reinterpret some of the clearest scientifically testable claims in the Qur’an.
II. FEMALE SEMEN?
Muhammad adds in the Hadith (collections of his sayings and deeds) that women have a discharge similar to the semen in men:
Man’s discharge (i.e. sperm) is thick and white and the discharge of woman is thin and yellow.iv
Muslims often try to interpret this passage as referring to the genetic material in the ovum. However, such an interpretation is impossible, since Muhammad claimed that it was quite visible (and the genetic material inside the ovum isn’t):
Umm Salama said: “O Allah’s Apostle! Allah does not refrain from saying the truth! Is it obligatory for a woman to take a bath after she gets nocturnal discharge?” He said: “Yes, if she notices the water (i.e. discharge).” Umm Salama smiled and said: “Does a woman get discharge?” Allah’s Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Then why does a child resemble (its mother)?”v
ullahboned meh hurd (08:19:44) : that's what the quran/sura/hadith basically that's muhammad stating where the semen and eggs come from in the human body when in all actuality they come from the testicles and the ovaries..
A.Nasser (08:21:36) : ok
A.Nasser (08:23:34) : what is your question ?
ullahboned meh hurd (08:23:49) : so muhammad says we have semen coming from our backbone right?
ullahboned meh hurd (08:24:32) : yet science says all creatures including humans, anything with testicles, has the semen coming from testicles, is it not time for you to learn a few things from science?
A.Nasser (08:26:45) : ok
A.Nasser (08:27:27) : it probably means before the semen is finalized in the testicles it comes first from the back bone
A.Nasser (08:27:35) : in the form of blood
ullahboned meh hurd (08:28:04) : the blood is not even formed there
ullahboned meh hurd (08:28:12) : science has proven that
ullahboned meh hurd (08:28:28) : in fact
ullahboned meh hurd (08:28:43) : all the semen, all the stuff that makes sperm and semen, is located in the front part of the stomach
A.Nasser (08:29:07) : i mean the blood moves from the back to the testicles
ullahboned meh hurd (08:28:58) : you get the nutrients, everything to form semen, from your stomach
ullahboned meh hurd (08:29:02) : no it doesnt
ullahboned meh hurd (08:29:09) : it's in your stomach
A.Nasser (08:29:18) : yes
A.Nasser (08:29:25) : the prostate
ullahboned meh hurd (08:29:24) : lower abdoman, down below your belly button in front of everything
A.Nasser (08:29:34) : not stomach
A.Nasser (08:29:39) : it is in the prostate
ullahboned meh hurd (08:29:32) : your prostate has nothing to do with your semen and sperm
A.Nasser (08:30:15) : do you know those who perform prostat operation cant ijaculate
A.Nasser (08:30:22) : do not have sperm
ullahboned meh hurd (08:31:15) : the prostate gland is not even in the back of your body
ullahboned meh hurd (08:31:34) : the prostate is in the front of your body
ullahboned meh hurd (08:31:39) : no where near the spine
ullahboned meh hurd (08:31:47) : so, consider this also
ullahboned meh hurd (08:31:51) : your ribs
ullahboned meh hurd (08:32:25) : where he also said your spine and ribs are together, which is up by your lungs, totally different part of your body, has absolutely nothing to do with your reproductive system
ullahboned meh hurd (08:32:27) : nothing
ullahboned meh hurd (08:32:52) : your prostate, your seminal vesicles, your testicles, everything is in front of your body. he was wrong
ullahboned meh hurd (08:32:56) : your prophet was wrong
ullahboned meh hurd (08:34:50) : just because someone sticks there finger in your butt, then pushes it towards your balls, doesnt mean he can reach up to touch where muhammad said your semen comes from, his fingers are at most 6 inches long, even an arabs fingers are about 6 inches long, and thats pretty huge to be honest
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